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Posted by: udaya
« on: May 13, 2016, 05:28:33 AM »

Comment on reply #46:

Bro..please don't mistake me.
You keep on remind me of my eligibility of getting punished , citing  bible verses ( I know those verses). You keep on accuse me as a stumbling block. ...Otherwise you are polite in your writing , I appreciate that.

Since you chose to converse through Bible verses , I too prefer to do that way .

நீங்கள் குற்றவாளிகளென்று தீர்க்கப்படாதபடிக்கு மற்றவர்களைக் குற்றவாளிகளென்று தீர்க்காதிருங்கள். மத்தேயு 7:1

மற்றவர்களைக் குற்றவாளிகளென்று தீர்க்காதிருங்கள், அப்பொழுது நீங்களும் குற்றவாளிகளென்று தீர்க்கப்படாதிருப்பீர்கள், மற்றவர்களை ஆக்கினைக்குள்ளாகும்படி தீர்க்காதிருங்கள், அப்பொழுது நீங்களும் ஆக்கினைக்குள்ளாகத் தீர்க்கப்படாதிருப்பீர்கள், விடுதலைபண்ணுங்கள், அப்பொழுது நீங்களும் விடுதலைபண்ணப்படுவீர்கள். லூக்கா 6:37

ஆகையால், மற்றவர்களைக் குற்றவாளியாகத் தீர்க்கிறவனே, நீ யாரானாலும் சரி. போக்குச்சொல்ல உனக்கு இடமில்லை, நீ குற்றமாகத் தீர்க்கிறவைகள் எவைகளோ, அவைகளை நீயே செய்கிறபடியால், நீ மற்றவர்களைக்குறித்துச் சொல்லுகிற தீர்ப்பினாலே உன்னைத்தானே குற்றவாளியாகத் தீர்க்கிறாய் ரோமர் 2:1

இப்படியிருக்க, நீ உன் சகோதரனைக் குற்றவாளியென்று தீர்க்கிறதென்ன? நீ உன் சகோதரனை அற்பமாய் எண்ணுகிறதென்ன? நாமெல்லாரும் கிறிஸ்துவினுடைய நியாயாசனத்திற்கு முன்பாக நிற்போமே.ரோமர் 14:10
Posted by: udaya
« on: May 13, 2016, 05:25:31 AM »

Comment on reply #45:

I always check myself that unwholesome word not to come out of my mouth /typing . Did I speak that way any time ?

"Beneficial"  is sujective.

Example: If you announce "Time" loudly in a street , it is not beneficial to many people in the street , but would be beneficial to a blind man in the corner.
Posted by: Horeb
« on: May 12, 2016, 12:06:08 AM »

*[[Mat 18:6]] NET* “But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a huge millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the open sea.
*[[Mat 18:7]] NET* Woe to the world because of stumbling blocks! It is necessary that stumbling blocks come, but woe to the person through whom they come.
Posted by: Horeb
« on: May 12, 2016, 12:01:06 AM »

*[[Eph 4:29]] NET* You must let no unwholesome word come out of your mouth, but only what is beneficial for the building up of the one in need, that it may give grace to those who hear.
Posted by: udaya
« on: May 11, 2016, 10:07:46 PM »

Thank you for your advice/suggestion Bro.

I just want to ask you few things.

1.Can I ask questions here ?

2.If yes , how to ask questions or what questions should I ask ?

3.I believe the IQ of this forum is high ..........am I wrong ?

4.Am I a stumbling block ?..... stumbling block to what ?

Though I don't want to be a stumbling block , I understand stumbling blocks are part of christian life , which make us stronger in our spiritual journey.

You already said that you won't interfere....But I request you to    I N T E R F E R E..............That is what this forum is meant for.
Posted by: Horeb
« on: May 11, 2016, 05:39:23 PM »

Bro Udaya !
This is what I meant when I said previously that u don't bring edification!

I also feel so sad for ppl who have been led astray by your posts and comments.
Why can't u SEEK it with ppl who know it more !
As far as I have seen here many  here are really so sincere in loving Jesus and many who have just started their spiritual journey !
Pls think if it is right to be a stumbling block to them !

I know U will answer for every sentence of minewith some intellugentbarguments
But I really feel so sad !
Pls tthink abt many like Bargavi sister who gave been hurt u !

Pls don't make others stumble !
Pls be a channel of blessings to others !

Pls bro.

Just think for sometime, why am I doing this ??

Posted by: udaya
« on: May 10, 2016, 04:31:43 AM »

Sis...

Pardon me for big talking.

First of all , this particular thread discuss theoretical / philosophical type matters, not religious faith , spiritual life etc . Actually, I was expecting some comments from Bible experts, not from simple people , as Horeb described ! I responded to your replies just because you addressed me directly . You see , I have not commented your replies in other threads . I don't want to be a hurdle in your spiritual journey , or anybody else's for that matter. I can explain the things you wrote in your recent post .... I can explain you why I am here..... But I believe , you would not be interested , hence I am avoiding.....

@:  I am sorry. This is my last post in this forum .

Why ?....don't get frustrated....There are so many good people around here who can help you strengthening your faith.
Just avoid answering the posts that is not appropriate for you.....Please move on.

@:  you spoil my peace Brother.

I am extremely sorry that happened that way...............If you wish you can ask this questions yourself..

My peace is really the peace mentioned in John 14:27 ?

(If yes , then you cannot be disturbed.)


@:  From what i ve observed through all the posts you sound rather argumentative than as a seeker of truth.

I consider myself a seeker of truth ..

I believe you would agree that a seeker seeks , examines & evaluate all the things in front of him , until he find the truth. ( 1 Thes 5:21 )

Arguments arises only when there is a ground for arguments .


I refrain from commenting on reply#41 , unless you ask .

Thank you very much for reading this post.
Posted by: Bargavi Ramachandran
« on: May 10, 2016, 12:31:00 AM »

Understand No idol worshipping family is living in total harmony and peace. Even they re it won't be permanent.
For them, God ll punish you for sin you don't even remember (sins from previous birth).
If it's bad time in your astrology chart you ve to suffer, if you ve sinned, you ve to suffer even if you ask for forgivance.
For the True God's children, whatever problems we face He ll be our tower of Strength and refugee. He ll make the problems go away or give us strength to overcome any loss.
He has promised to never leave you nor forsake you and His word is true.
Posted by: Bargavi Ramachandran
« on: May 10, 2016, 12:19:29 AM »

From what i ve observed through all the posts you sound rather argumentative than as a seeker of truth.
You re not ready to accept explanations to any of your questions. Any reply we give is our own assumption, not a plausible explanation. You doubt Noah's story, call it a myth. You question if Judas ll be heaven. As far as i am concerned God created Heaven and whom He allows into His property is His right and no human has any right to question or discuss if a human can have a place in heaven just like no one has rights to question who you allow into your house.
I am sorry. This is my last post in this forum . you spoil my peace Brother.
If you accept God, you ve to accept His words too without doubting His actions.
For His ways are better than your ways. His plans for you are better than your plan for you.
Still if you re questioning God's actions, remember Evil is a choice. No one, absolutely no one is forcing anyone to read Bible, and follow it.
Adam and Eve had a choice to not to eat the fruit. No one force fed them.
You and i have a choice. Believe that God's ways are perfect, His plans are flawless, though things don't seem coherent now, one day everything make sense.

VISUVAASAM ILLAAMAL DEVANUKU PIRIYAMAGA IRUPATHU KOODAATHA KAARIYAM.
Posted by: udaya
« on: May 09, 2016, 10:45:34 PM »

Thank you for the paper..

The author try to resolve a possible contradiction between John 14:27 and Mathew 10:34.

But he explained Mathew 10:34 based on his OWN assumption . That is what you have already said in your previous reply. Nothing new.

The question is ....is it ok to explain scripture inserting our own ideas ?

BTW...

If we are not accepting an explanation offered , the person who explained accuses us as spiritual blind , negative mind ..etc.  The explainer usually think he is right and others are wrong.

Does God's word need an explanation , especially when it is absolutely clear and does not require an explanation ?

OR

Does it require an explanation only when it sounds not right and creates big discomfort ?
Posted by: Bargavi Ramachandran
« on: May 09, 2016, 03:11:50 AM »

Dear brother, hope you re aware of apologetics. I am pasting a research paper here.

Did Jesus Come to Bring Peace—or Turmoil?

by Caleb Colley, Ph.D.

Militant, violent, religious extremists have caused legitimate concern for America’s security. In Palestine, on the very soil Jesus walked, people kill each other in warfare motivated by religion. Do the teachings of Christ authorize or encourage such behavior? In John 14:27, Jesus said: “Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” Some have charged that Jesus’ promise of peace in that verse contradicts His message in Matthew 10:34: “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.” Did Jesus come to Earth to bring peace—or turmoil?
Based on scriptural evidence, it is indisputable that Jesus wants His followers to have peace. The words “Christ” and “peace” are found together in the same verse no less than 24 times in the New King James Version. Consider Philippians 1:2: “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and Lord Jesus Christ.” 2 Corinthians 1:2 reads: “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” Paul urged the Thessalonians, “Be at peace among yourselves” (1 Thessalonians 5:13). The message of Christ is called “the gospel of peace” (Ephesians 6:15), and Philippians 4:7 says that the peace of God “surpasses all understanding” and that peace will guard the hearts and minds of Christians. Jesus, Who is called the Prince of Peace in Isaiah 9:6, most definitely came to bring peace.
Could it also be that Jesus came to bring turmoil? Certainly. In the context of Matthew 10:34, Jesus was explaining to His disciples that the Gospel, in some cases, would cause division. A son would believe in Jesus, but his father might not. A mother would believe, but her daughter might refuse even to hear the Gospel. In Matthew 10:37-38, Jesus presented a hard truth: “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.” Richard Lenski offered insight into the implications of the “turmoil” brought by Christ:
The idea is this: if Christ had not come, the earth would have gone on undisturbed in its sin and its guilt until the day of its doom. Now Christ came to take away that sin and that guilt. At once war resulted, for in their perversion men clung to their sin, fought Christ and the gospel, and thus produced two hostile camps. Christ foresaw this effect and willed it. Emphatically He declared that He came to throw a sword on the earth. Better the war and the division, saving as many as possible, than to let all perish in their sin (1943, p. 415).
Many react with hostility to the Gospel. This is not because Christ’s teaching promotes hostility (see Matthew 5:44; 7:12; John 13:14; 13:35), but because Jesus’ teachings are highly controversial. In Matthew 10:34, Jesus did not mean to suggest that His purpose was to bring hostility or turmoil, but that hostility would, in some cases, be an effect of His teaching (Barnes, 1949, p. 115). It always will be the case that some people will respond negatively to Christ’s teachings, for some always will prefer spiritual darkness to the light of Jesus (John 3:19). Christ, Who came to Earth to bring both peace and turmoil, never contradicted Himself.
REFERENCES

Barnes, Albert (1949), Notes on the New Testament: Matthew and Mark (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker).
Lenksi, Richard C. H. (1943), The Interpretation of St. Matthew’s Gospel (Minneapolis, MN: Augsburg).
Posted by: udaya
« on: May 08, 2016, 11:57:11 PM »

@:  Dear Brother, you missed the whole point in my message.

Sorry sister.

@:  Lord came into my life, ........................................... mother mary.

I don't want to take your personal situation for a public forum discussion.I just wish you a peaceful life.

@:  When Christ comes into your life, and when your family is not with Him. There ll be problems. There ll be fights. That's what this verse says

The verse does not say some of the members of the family were not with Jesus, as you said. Moreover problems "does" exist irrespective of whether the family members are with or not with Jesus (there are real world examples for this). When all the members of the family are with Jesus and if still there are problems,People say it is the hand of Satan.On the other hand , there are idol worshiping families who are living in total harmony and peace. So, I think "taking side with Jesus" shall not be the criteria for dividing the family , as you suggested.


நான் பூமியிலே சமாதானத்தை உண்டாக்கவந்தேன் என்று நினைக்கிறீர்களோ? சமாதானத்தையல்ல, பிரிவினையையே உண்டாக்கவந்தேன் என்று உங்களுக்குச் சொல்லுகிறேன்.

லூக்கா 12 :51

" சமாதான பிரபு " என்று கருதப்பட்ட இயேசு கிறிஸ்து , தான் சமாதானத்தை கொடுக்க வரவில்லை என்று கூறுவது ஆச்சரியமாக உள்ளது  .


Posted by: Bargavi Ramachandran
« on: May 08, 2016, 08:57:11 PM »

Dear Brother, you missed the whole point in my message.
Lord came into my life, i chose Him. I still choose Him. So i am facing problems and fighting with my family a lot who are idol worshippers. A friend of mine who chose light fought with her father for 7 years cos he was a devote of mother mary.
When Christ comes into your life, and when your family is not with Him. There ll be problems. There ll be fights. That's what this verse says
I came to create problems between family members.
But obeying Lord is important than obeying your parents.
He who loves his parents more than he loves the God is not a child of God.
Posted by: udaya
« on: April 30, 2016, 08:06:57 AM »

Welcome back to the topic....

மகனுக்கும் தகப்பனுக்கும், மகளுக்கும் தாய்க்கும், மருமகளுக்கும் மாமிக்கும் பிரிவினையுண்டாக்க வந்தேன் - இயேசு கிறிஸ்து.

குடும்பத்தை ஏன் பிரிக்க நினைக்கிறார் ?
Posted by: Horeb
« on: April 28, 2016, 05:23:16 PM »

Bro Udaya, from the way u answered I know U did not like my suggestion.
Pls do whatever u like, I won't interfere any more.
God bless You !
Ecclesiastes 11:9; 12:14